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		<title>By: Karen in AZ</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I think the thoughts are getting closer to what I'm trying to express. Thanks for some key thoughts.

Transformation is a key word. (thanks!) When the foundation is the True Foundation (Jesus Christ), we are truly transformed (sometimes more slowly than we would like, or in smaller steps - but then God knows how big of steps we can handle!) and the dreams (fruit?) come forth!

The other part of the dream that seems to be expressed here is to be seen by the "world" as a positive rather than (almost always) as a negative.

I guess one question to ask ourselves is: Why does "the world" see/interpret our actions in a negative manner?

The second question would be: Can that be changed?

There are a couple of questions to mull for a while!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I think the thoughts are getting closer to what I&#8217;m trying to express. Thanks for some key thoughts.</p>
<p>Transformation is a key word. (thanks!) When the foundation is the True Foundation (Jesus Christ), we are truly transformed (sometimes more slowly than we would like, or in smaller steps - but then God knows how big of steps we can handle!) and the dreams (fruit?) come forth!</p>
<p>The other part of the dream that seems to be expressed here is to be seen by the &#8220;world&#8221; as a positive rather than (almost always) as a negative.</p>
<p>I guess one question to ask ourselves is: Why does &#8220;the world&#8221; see/interpret our actions in a negative manner?</p>
<p>The second question would be: Can that be changed?</p>
<p>There are a couple of questions to mull for a while!</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Ground of Being" - - how much do I LOVE that phrase......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Ground of Being&#8221; - - how much do I LOVE that phrase&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cramer</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on here.  We love hearing from our friends around the US/World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on here.  We love hearing from our friends around the US/World.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cramer</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen in AZ,

I would wholeheartedly agree that the change that we desire and seek doesn't come because we want to do a bunch of nice things for people.  It comes from a radical transformation.  The transformation doesn't come as a "we have to accomplish all these goals and make everything better" epiphany.  That hardly sounds like an epiphany.  It comes when we realize that the things that we held most dear, the things that drive our day to day life, are misguided.  Money, power, prestige, security, and being well-liked aren't bad things, but if we make them the focus, they become something that they were never meant to be.

"We say that we want love and that we want peace, but we do not realize these are not the destinations... they are the way."  I wrote those words because I believe they are true.  You can't "have" or possess love.  Same with peace.  They aren't things that we can possess inside of us.  They are the way in which we were meant to live.  They don't become the end result of the relationship, they become the space in which the relationship operates.  They become (to use Paul Tillich's descriptor for God), the "Ground of Being" in the relationship.  They become the why and the how of the connection that exists between two people, a community of people, the world at large.  That's the dream.  The dream is not doing the right stuff, or having the right stuff.  It's seeing things differently, it's being grounded differently.  It's love and peace transformed back into what they were meant to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen in AZ,</p>
<p>I would wholeheartedly agree that the change that we desire and seek doesn&#8217;t come because we want to do a bunch of nice things for people.  It comes from a radical transformation.  The transformation doesn&#8217;t come as a &#8220;we have to accomplish all these goals and make everything better&#8221; epiphany.  That hardly sounds like an epiphany.  It comes when we realize that the things that we held most dear, the things that drive our day to day life, are misguided.  Money, power, prestige, security, and being well-liked aren&#8217;t bad things, but if we make them the focus, they become something that they were never meant to be.</p>
<p>&#8220;We say that we want love and that we want peace, but we do not realize these are not the destinations&#8230; they are the way.&#8221;  I wrote those words because I believe they are true.  You can&#8217;t &#8220;have&#8221; or possess love.  Same with peace.  They aren&#8217;t things that we can possess inside of us.  They are the way in which we were meant to live.  They don&#8217;t become the end result of the relationship, they become the space in which the relationship operates.  They become (to use Paul Tillich&#8217;s descriptor for God), the &#8220;Ground of Being&#8221; in the relationship.  They become the why and the how of the connection that exists between two people, a community of people, the world at large.  That&#8217;s the dream.  The dream is not doing the right stuff, or having the right stuff.  It&#8217;s seeing things differently, it&#8217;s being grounded differently.  It&#8217;s love and peace transformed back into what they were meant to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen in AZ</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are great goals to dream of! How marvelous to be seen in this light! Yet, as I read through the list, I realized that these are actually the results (I wish I could think of a stronger, and better descriptive word for that) of something greater -

A Christian is a sinner who has been redeemed by God through belief in Jesus, the Son of God, who then dedicates his/her life to living it in a manner that proclaims God's love and redemption for all. Because of living that life, a Christian - a follower of Jesus the Messiah, the  Son of God - is known for these things....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are great goals to dream of! How marvelous to be seen in this light! Yet, as I read through the list, I realized that these are actually the results (I wish I could think of a stronger, and better descriptive word for that) of something greater -</p>
<p>A Christian is a sinner who has been redeemed by God through belief in Jesus, the Son of God, who then dedicates his/her life to living it in a manner that proclaims God&#8217;s love and redemption for all. Because of living that life, a Christian - a follower of Jesus the Messiah, the  Son of God - is known for these things&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Someone I Know and Love,
I have that CD!!  It is in my car stereo right now!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Someone I Know and Love,<br />
I have that CD!!  It is in my car stereo right now!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cramer</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that sounds like it's from a song on a certain CD that I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that sounds like it&#8217;s from a song on a certain CD that I know.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a great song with a great message - - I used to think it was years before it's time.  Now I know that it is always time for peace and love.  As someone I know and love said, "They are NOT the destinations - they are the way."  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great song with a great message - - I used to think it was years before it&#8217;s time.  Now I know that it is always time for peace and love.  As someone I know and love said, &#8220;They are NOT the destinations - they are the way.&#8221;  <img src='http://epinoiacafe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cramer</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://epinoiacafe.com/2008/04/dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope one day you will join us, and the world can live as one.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope one day you will join us, and the world can live as one&#8230;..</p>
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