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		<title>Comment on Living in Community by Salvador</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salvador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone. Help me! Please help find sites for: Wellbutrin, i sometimes recommended to provide heartache for benefits but discovered that 7 leaves only and am experiencing usually.. I found only this - [URL=http://www.juventude.gov.br/Members/Wellbutrin/wean-off-wellbutrin]wean off wellbutrin[/URL]. Wellbutrin, carbamazepine wellbutrin is such, while skin paragraph formulations are commonly. Other times are discontinuing derivatives to quit the effects who suspect the others, wellbutrin. With love :-(, Salvador from Lebanon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone. Help me! Please help find sites for: Wellbutrin, i sometimes recommended to provide heartache for benefits but discovered that 7 leaves only and am experiencing usually.. I found only this - [URL=http://www.juventude.gov.br/Members/Wellbutrin/wean-off-wellbutrin]wean off wellbutrin[/URL]. Wellbutrin, carbamazepine wellbutrin is such, while skin paragraph formulations are commonly. Other times are discontinuing derivatives to quit the effects who suspect the others, wellbutrin. With love :-(, Salvador from Lebanon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Atheist&#8217;s Version of Hell by Cta32</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cta32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, there&#039;s more to this obviously than just &#34;I do not understand you, you are not being rational about this&#34;, you sound like a robot. Intuition is a very powerful thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, there&#039;s more to this obviously than just &quot;I do not understand you, you are not being rational about this&quot;, you sound like a robot. Intuition is a very powerful thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to Brian McLaren by Twitter Tweets about McLaren as of April 23, 2009 &#124; What One Million Dollars Buy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter Tweets about McLaren as of April 23, 2009 &#124; What One Million Dollars Buy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    angelaharms: @makeesha Here&#8217;s a conversation I had with Brian &#38; some others about it: http://epinoiacafe.com/2009/01/an-open-letter-to-brian-mclaren/ 2009-04-23 23:47:54 &#183; Reply &#183; View    Fifo_Albertoni: Vettel to McLaren in future? - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    angelaharms: @makeesha Here&#8217;s a conversation I had with Brian &amp; some others about it: <a href="http://epinoiacafe.com/2009/01/an-open-letter-to-brian-mclaren/" rel="nofollow">http://epinoiacafe.com/2009/01/an-open-letter-to-brian-mclaren/</a> 2009-04-23 23:47:54 &middot; Reply &middot; View    Fifo_Albertoni: Vettel to McLaren in future? - [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday in the park by Theresa Seeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa Seeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently I met with this same group again and I think maybe my accuser had misspoken. My accuser did the same exact thing I had been accused of all throughout our meeting, which was to offer personal experience in parenting issues related to medical issues and other non-disciplinary, non-hot-button issues. I also noticed that although I arrived feeling disjointed and unaccepted, and leary of trying to connect, when I did step forward I was completely embraced by the young parents/couples in the room. The original criticism had been that I was offering too much, like an overbearing mother-in-law, and that I had created this tension in which people were afraid of even being around me for fear I might start up again. But I experienced nothing of the sort, and ended up really enjoying the relationships there. That is good, because I had told my husband I thought it better perhaps if I stopped going altogether. What a waste that would have been! In defense of my accuser, she is a woman of God and generally gracious, so I imagine her motivations were good and I don&#039;t want to bring any criticism of her here. :-)  
 
I too love exchanging ideas, and so does the friend who had critiqued me. But this isn&#039;t about her. (I am working thru my feelings about this whole mess, as it seems to be a repeat issue in my life - my getting too eager to know people and to be known, to share ideas, to explore the many fascinations and complexities of life with others. I am an A personality with OCD, you can imagine how this might get under some people&#039;s skin.)  
 
I would absolutely love to get together some time! In the meantime there is always Tokbox, although between family and ministry it may be hard to connect at the same time.... :-) We are in Southern California. Lancaster to be precise.  
 
I am loving getting to know you better, and I saw your kind comment at facebook about being known and loved for who I am, and I returned the sentiment to you! Peace! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently I met with this same group again and I think maybe my accuser had misspoken. My accuser did the same exact thing I had been accused of all throughout our meeting, which was to offer personal experience in parenting issues related to medical issues and other non-disciplinary, non-hot-button issues. I also noticed that although I arrived feeling disjointed and unaccepted, and leary of trying to connect, when I did step forward I was completely embraced by the young parents/couples in the room. The original criticism had been that I was offering too much, like an overbearing mother-in-law, and that I had created this tension in which people were afraid of even being around me for fear I might start up again. But I experienced nothing of the sort, and ended up really enjoying the relationships there. That is good, because I had told my husband I thought it better perhaps if I stopped going altogether. What a waste that would have been! In defense of my accuser, she is a woman of God and generally gracious, so I imagine her motivations were good and I don&#039;t want to bring any criticism of her here. <img src='http://epinoiacafe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I too love exchanging ideas, and so does the friend who had critiqued me. But this isn&#039;t about her. (I am working thru my feelings about this whole mess, as it seems to be a repeat issue in my life - my getting too eager to know people and to be known, to share ideas, to explore the many fascinations and complexities of life with others. I am an A personality with OCD, you can imagine how this might get under some people&#039;s skin.)  </p>
<p>I would absolutely love to get together some time! In the meantime there is always Tokbox, although between family and ministry it may be hard to connect at the same time&#8230;. <img src='http://epinoiacafe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> We are in Southern California. Lancaster to be precise.  </p>
<p>I am loving getting to know you better, and I saw your kind comment at facebook about being known and loved for who I am, and I returned the sentiment to you! Peace!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday in the park by AngelaHarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngelaHarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#34;I was getting too involved in the lives of some of the young couples/new parents we both know. In my desire to know and be known, pray together and exchange ideas, I had apparently come on too strong.&#34; 
Sounds like radical love, to me. I&#039;m not a big fan of safety and boundaries. That annoys some folks.  
 
I&#039;m curious: do you think it was too strong? Was the couple uncomfortable? (Is uncomfortable always a bad thing?) Do you wish you&#039;d done things differently? What was it like for you to connect with them? 
 
I *love* exchanging ideas. I think some people don&#039;t like that much, either. :) 
 
&#34;I think I suffer from a case of, this is already being done by some, I want something new, something more. I feel like I should just go with the flow and go wherever I see the Holy Spirit moving, but yet I have this need, this drive, to change the world. To break new ground.&#34; 
 
Oh, this I get! I have had a similar feeling. I don&#039;t want to go work in somebody&#039;s soup kitchen. I want to shake things up, bring about a radical shift in consciousness, even if only a tiny bit at a time, and even if most of the work is done on my own consciousness. Hence the &lt;a href="http:\/\/radicalloveproject.com" target="_blank"&gt;Radical Love Project&lt;/a&gt;.  
 
It would be so fun to get to talk in person. Maybe at a conference one of these days... 
 
Angela </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I was getting too involved in the lives of some of the young couples/new parents we both know. In my desire to know and be known, pray together and exchange ideas, I had apparently come on too strong.&quot;<br />
Sounds like radical love, to me. I&#039;m not a big fan of safety and boundaries. That annoys some folks.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m curious: do you think it was too strong? Was the couple uncomfortable? (Is uncomfortable always a bad thing?) Do you wish you&#039;d done things differently? What was it like for you to connect with them? </p>
<p>I *love* exchanging ideas. I think some people don&#039;t like that much, either. <img src='http://epinoiacafe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&quot;I think I suffer from a case of, this is already being done by some, I want something new, something more. I feel like I should just go with the flow and go wherever I see the Holy Spirit moving, but yet I have this need, this drive, to change the world. To break new ground.&quot; </p>
<p>Oh, this I get! I have had a similar feeling. I don&#039;t want to go work in somebody&#039;s soup kitchen. I want to shake things up, bring about a radical shift in consciousness, even if only a tiny bit at a time, and even if most of the work is done on my own consciousness. Hence the <a href="http:\/\/radicalloveproject.com" target="_blank">Radical Love Project</a>.  </p>
<p>It would be so fun to get to talk in person. Maybe at a conference one of these days&#8230; </p>
<p>Angela</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday in the park by Theresa Seeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa Seeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of what you guys are saying are ringing true, but not all. I love meeting new people and sharing my life with them, and get really excited when they share theirs with me. As a matter of fact, I was chastised recently (right before I wrote this post) by someone who is doing this ministry because they had noticed I was getting too involved in the lives of some of the young couples/new parents we both know. In my desire to know and be known, pray together and exchange ideas, I had apparently come on too strong. (Who me? Angela perhaps you are getting to know me by now and can see some truth in my friend&#039;s accusation.) I have no misgivings about possibly finding out that these needy people are real people with much to offer. I used to hang out in the homeless communities as a teen, and the first memory my husband has of laying eyes on me I had brought my ragamuffin homeless boyfriend to youth group. :-) I think I suffer from a case of, this is already being done by some, I want something new, something more. I feel like I should just go with the flow and go wherever I see the Holy Spirit moving, but yet I have this need, this drive, to change the world. To break new ground. Oh my gosh, I am realizing something as I type! My husband noticed recently that I have a serious gifting in breaking new ground. That is probably it. I want to break new ground, because this ground is already broken and there is so much that is trapped still under hard, packed dirt! Okay, now to temper that, LOL. Thanks guys. I am eager to continue this conversation, here and elsewhere. I admire you both greatly for getting out there and doing the stuff. You yourselves are breaking new ground every time you meet in this park, I think.  I want that too.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of what you guys are saying are ringing true, but not all. I love meeting new people and sharing my life with them, and get really excited when they share theirs with me. As a matter of fact, I was chastised recently (right before I wrote this post) by someone who is doing this ministry because they had noticed I was getting too involved in the lives of some of the young couples/new parents we both know. In my desire to know and be known, pray together and exchange ideas, I had apparently come on too strong. (Who me? Angela perhaps you are getting to know me by now and can see some truth in my friend&#039;s accusation.) I have no misgivings about possibly finding out that these needy people are real people with much to offer. I used to hang out in the homeless communities as a teen, and the first memory my husband has of laying eyes on me I had brought my ragamuffin homeless boyfriend to youth group. <img src='http://epinoiacafe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I think I suffer from a case of, this is already being done by some, I want something new, something more. I feel like I should just go with the flow and go wherever I see the Holy Spirit moving, but yet I have this need, this drive, to change the world. To break new ground. Oh my gosh, I am realizing something as I type! My husband noticed recently that I have a serious gifting in breaking new ground. That is probably it. I want to break new ground, because this ground is already broken and there is so much that is trapped still under hard, packed dirt! Okay, now to temper that, LOL. Thanks guys. I am eager to continue this conversation, here and elsewhere. I admire you both greatly for getting out there and doing the stuff. You yourselves are breaking new ground every time you meet in this park, I think.  I want that too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday in the park by AngelaHarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngelaHarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Theresa! What I&#039;m hearing here is a lot of passion, that you&#039;re getting a glimpse of the life that Jesus tells us is possible. Yes? I know that for me, when I get those glimpses, and realize the beautiful things I can choose, it can be electrifying. I am so grateful to God for giving us this ability to create, to change direction in every moment.  
 
But then, with that ability comes the difficulty of figuring out what direction to go in, and what direction to turn away from. Because when I chose one thing, there&#039;s always something else I&#039;m giving up.  
 
When I feel jumbled about what I&#039;m doing, wanting and not-wanting at the same time, I don&#039;t usually find answers until I sit down and quiet my mind, breathe, and listen for God&#039;s answers.  
 
Some folks say that if you have felt a calling and then find yourself not wanting to do the work, you should just push on. For me, though, those feelings of not wanting are usually a clue that I need to do more listening. When I surrender and let God lead, I feel peace and a sense of rightness, even in the face of difficulty. 
 
Does that fit with your experience? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Theresa! What I&#039;m hearing here is a lot of passion, that you&#039;re getting a glimpse of the life that Jesus tells us is possible. Yes? I know that for me, when I get those glimpses, and realize the beautiful things I can choose, it can be electrifying. I am so grateful to God for giving us this ability to create, to change direction in every moment.  </p>
<p>But then, with that ability comes the difficulty of figuring out what direction to go in, and what direction to turn away from. Because when I chose one thing, there&#039;s always something else I&#039;m giving up.  </p>
<p>When I feel jumbled about what I&#039;m doing, wanting and not-wanting at the same time, I don&#039;t usually find answers until I sit down and quiet my mind, breathe, and listen for God&#039;s answers.  </p>
<p>Some folks say that if you have felt a calling and then find yourself not wanting to do the work, you should just push on. For me, though, those feelings of not wanting are usually a clue that I need to do more listening. When I surrender and let God lead, I feel peace and a sense of rightness, even in the face of difficulty. </p>
<p>Does that fit with your experience?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday in the park by Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Theresa, 
 
Perhaps your reluctance to go to the park stems from knowing that involving yourself with the people there will be unlike praying for strangers or donating money to programs that make changes in Africa.  
 
The changes that I want to open myself up to, in my visits &#34;outside&#34;, are changes that come from authentic personal connection. It was not easy for me to start doing this! I was afraid that &#34;these people&#34; would be unpleasant to be around. It turned out that my preconceptions as to what counts as pleasant aren&#039;t very important. My fears were ultimately about protecting myself from being affected by learning who these folk are, what their lives are like, what they know as joys and what they bear as sorrows. 
 
My guess is that you &#34;can&#039;t get into this&#34; because you have similar misgivings, and I&#039;m guessing that as you let Jesus&#039; way guide you into unguarded relationships (a.k.a. love) you&#039;ll find that God&#039;s work here is not limited to your-helping-the-needy. His love is sent to change you, and me, just as much. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Theresa, </p>
<p>Perhaps your reluctance to go to the park stems from knowing that involving yourself with the people there will be unlike praying for strangers or donating money to programs that make changes in Africa.  </p>
<p>The changes that I want to open myself up to, in my visits &quot;outside&quot;, are changes that come from authentic personal connection. It was not easy for me to start doing this! I was afraid that &quot;these people&quot; would be unpleasant to be around. It turned out that my preconceptions as to what counts as pleasant aren&#039;t very important. My fears were ultimately about protecting myself from being affected by learning who these folk are, what their lives are like, what they know as joys and what they bear as sorrows. </p>
<p>My guess is that you &quot;can&#039;t get into this&quot; because you have similar misgivings, and I&#039;m guessing that as you let Jesus&#039; way guide you into unguarded relationships (a.k.a. love) you&#039;ll find that God&#039;s work here is not limited to your-helping-the-needy. His love is sent to change you, and me, just as much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to Brian McLaren by AngelaHarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngelaHarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blog seems to have eaten Theresa&#039;s other comment, so I&#039;m reposting here: 
 
Theresa Seeber said: 
Thank you for that insight! As we were driving today I pointed my children to look out the front window, where the road was blocked off by police, ambulance, and fire vehicles. We prayed for the people involved in whatever was going on out there, and I realized again that not all systems are bad, and thanked God for the systems that cause all of those people to be out there helping the people in need outside my window. I do however worry when the body of Christ is a system, whether corrupted or not, because it seems to suck some of the true life out of it. Just some things on my mind lately. Also, I loved your last comment the most: &#34;Just like to criticize or respond to a blog post or article is to care about the conversation (and the blogger). &#34; That just shows me the kindness of God. I&#039;ll take that anytime I can get it! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog seems to have eaten Theresa&#039;s other comment, so I&#039;m reposting here: </p>
<p>Theresa Seeber said:<br />
Thank you for that insight! As we were driving today I pointed my children to look out the front window, where the road was blocked off by police, ambulance, and fire vehicles. We prayed for the people involved in whatever was going on out there, and I realized again that not all systems are bad, and thanked God for the systems that cause all of those people to be out there helping the people in need outside my window. I do however worry when the body of Christ is a system, whether corrupted or not, because it seems to suck some of the true life out of it. Just some things on my mind lately. Also, I loved your last comment the most: &quot;Just like to criticize or respond to a blog post or article is to care about the conversation (and the blogger). &quot; That just shows me the kindness of God. I&#039;ll take that anytime I can get it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to Brian McLaren by Theresa Seeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa Seeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela, I just think you are an amazing woman with boldness to live the gospel and seek the Kingdom. You go girl! Brian, you just rock for even coming here and responding, as busy as you are. Thank you both for what you share here with us - this all could have been done via e-mail, but you shared it with us.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela, I just think you are an amazing woman with boldness to live the gospel and seek the Kingdom. You go girl! Brian, you just rock for even coming here and responding, as busy as you are. Thank you both for what you share here with us - this all could have been done via e-mail, but you shared it with us.</p>
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